he just stares at me with
these big eyes like he’s
waiting for something.
- Call off your guard dog machine, Stark.
- Yeah, alright, just one question first… is that a second dagger or are you just happy to see me?
Not that I know of. Anyone know?
Have any cool comic factoids to share?
To kick things off I’m all about intergalactic relationships.
:33 you’re actually one of the first people to comment on it!
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//This is a touuuugh question! I really don’t believe Loki’s pathology is innate. Meaning, I don’t think he was “born evil.” I believe he was born with the capability to be deceitful and manipulative, but even those traits could be used in the service of good or to innocuous ends. In other words, I don’t think that, without the trauma of learning of his true heritage, having his father go into a coma, and having his brother exiled, leaving him in the unfit position of king during the eve of war, Loki would have ever spiraled down a series of increasingly desperate actions including keeping Thor exiled and eventually trying to commit fratricide. Certainly he would not have even known to kill Laufey or had the nervous breakdown that gave him the idea that killing all the Frost Giants would somehow ritualistically cleanse his blood and make him a “true” Son of Odin.
The caveat here, though, is that Loki is too clever to remain ignorant of his true parentage forever. Sooner or later, he would have to have faced the reality of his adoption. Here is where I heavily blame Odin. First off, we can argue till the cows come home about the extent to which Odin always wanted to use his younger son as a political tool. I would argue that this was always in the cards for Odin, and his love for Loki, or anyone really, is conditional upon them always deferring to his will—and when Loki unexpectedly shed his passivity and defied Odin directly, it was necessary for Odin to turn Loki into a “villain” and “Other” in the eyes of Asgard, blowing his acts on Earth way out of proportion at least by the standards of an Asgardian war king (propaganda and ideological tyranny at its best, but I digress). Odin wanted Loki to be his puppet King of Jotunheim when Loki came of age, to maintain treaties with Jotunheim after the war in 965 A.D. When that became unnecessary, I fully believe Odin never had any intention to tell Loki that he was a (supposedly) rejected Frost Giant prince. Best to keep the now unneeded artifact of an enemy culture suppressed and pacified. Best to keep him forever in the shadow of the Crown Prince, forever his negative mirrored counterpart.
If Odin had only informed Loki in a timely and sensitive manner of his heritage, I genuinely believe that, while Loki would have taken it hard, he would not have interpreted Odin’s will as the snubbing of the dirty Jotun orphan, would not have felt such a desperation to please and belong, would not have had cosmically magnified daddy issues and self-loathing projected outward onto Thor (because Thor would not represent all the things Odin loved and Loki could not be) and all that Thor loved and protected (like Midgard). Loki would certainly never have been a saint, but it’s quite possible that he would never have become a vindictive antagonist of this magnitude.
The problem with all of this is that Odin’s intentions were never genuinely selfless, fatherly, or benevolent, not toward Loki. Not, I argue honestly, toward anyone but Odin, because is there anyone that Odin loves who defies him on a regular basis? No one. Not Frigga, certainly not Thor, whom Odin sanctioned to DIE (“stop them by ANY MEANS NECESSARY”) when Thor simply tried to escape Asgard to retrieve the Ether and save Jane Foster’s life without sending half of the Einherjar like lambs to the slaughter in the process (like Odin would). Since Odin, like his father Bor before him, is genuinely a tyrant, and this tyranny extends into his personal relationships at the very least in the form of gaslighting and psychological abuse, we can never know what Loki would have done, because there IS NO SCENARIO in which Odin would have done the right thing by his adopted son.
I am convinced that, while he didn’t necessarily WANT Loki to die, Odin also on some level felt it a lifted weight when Loki fell off the Bifrost into a wormhole. And when Loki was alive again, it was FRIGGA who pushed for his rescue and THOR who went to find him, as the official film comics show us, NOT Odin. And I KNOW Odin saw Loki’s botched attempt to overtake Earth (the motives of which are a whole controversy in their own right) as as an opportunity to slap chains on him and exile him to rot in a dungeon. The logistical mistake forgotten, written off as a scapegoat, a “screw up son,” “oh we tried SO HARD to love him but his greed for a throne was too great” (I call BULLSHIT Odin, remember when your son said to his brother “I NEVER WANTED THE THRONE, I ONLY EVER WANTED TO BE YOUR EQUAL”????).
People always say Loki is a case of self-fulfilled prophecy. I used to honestly be one such person, despite still seeing him in an empathetic light. Well, now I say yes and no. Yes, Loki is still his own worst enemy. Yes, Loki has what cognitive psychology terms a “hostile attribution bias,” meaning he does see slights and wrongdoings where they might not exist. BUT. But. Loki’s not “just evil and crazy” LIKE SOME PEOPLE WANT HIM TO THINK. Odin and the culture that Odin has sewn and reaped with his position of uncontested socio-military authority has very carefully cultivated a society in which people like Loki could never thrive, no matter how much they try to do the right thing. Because the right thing is inevitably rigged to favor big masculine physically strong violent hotheads, not little feminine weak calculating scholars who practice traditionally female arts (such as witchcraft/Seidr). And we can never know exactly what Loki would do if Odin hadn’t fucked up telling him about Laufey being his father, because the Odin who would fuck up is the same Odin who would spend Loki’s childhood making him a device to compete with and groom Thor. The Odin who would break the truth to Loki at an inopportune interval is the same Odin who would raise Loki to be the insecure person he is today.
For Loki to act differently than he did, in short, ODIN would have to be a FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT CHARACTER.
We can’t really say how Loki would have cleaned up Thor’s mess, because there’d be no mess to clean up if Odin had raised his sons differently. Loki wouldn’t be the insecure sneaky prick who staged a prank Jotun party-crashing to ruin Thor’s coronation. And Thor would not be a pompous entitled prick who would go storming into Jotunheim as a result to start the war. Loki would never see his hand turning blue, and Thor would never be exiled leaving no buffer between Loki and the stress of rule. Frankly, it’s likely that if Odin had been a good father, he would have told Loki with Frigga’s coaching when Loki was far younger about Laufey and Farbauti. He would not feel like his heritage was some dirty unspeakable taboo from which he should be “protected” (Odin’s actual word choice).
I’m sorry, I hope this doesn’t seem like one big long copout, but we need other hypotheticals in here for me to even answer this. Like, Odin takes Parenting 101 and gets a personality. 8^/ lol.
Guess which game is to blame that I took so long
Just a quick and dirty list of some of the fics I’ve been reading over and over, that I think everyone should read:
The Symphony of Rusted Power series by Cristinuke, especially: Mad Like Crushed Diamonds: and Whisper Beneath a Spring. Sub!Loki and dom!Tony. Very well-written and hot as hell with lots of fucked-out Loki (which is the best kind of Loki).
The Good, Giving, Game series by Hannahrhen, especially Receiving End and Schooled, because spanking. One of my favorite authors writing one of my favorite kinks. Also Better Left Unsaid, because Loki making Tony confess his filthy thoughts about dominating Loki really is just the best thing ever.
Break My Fall by Hotchoco195. This is one I have read over and over, just because it’s just well-written and in-character and awesome. Tony finds Loki in a bar after New York, realizes they have more in common than he thought, Tony stresses over things so Loki snatches him away to the Dwarves realm (the part where they’re on Nidavellir is one of my favorite written bits of Frostiron fic ever, it paints a great picture).
Accepted by Arkada. Tony and Loki trade sex for tech and magic. Both are total sassy-pants trying to one-up the other in sex.
"Thor Battles the Einherjar (Extended)
Thor Prevents Loki from Stabbing a Guard
Source: Disney Movies Anywhere Extras Uploaded for those outside US. Apparently they don’t count as ‘Anywhere’
“will you buy me a new carpet, by the way?”